69 thoughts on “Postgame Haiku, Vol. 19


    I’m too tired to haiku, but my sentiments match yours.

    Incredibly proud of the mids. For weeks I’ve been telling everyone that we’ve got a chance, and we showed that. Incredible fight, incredible drive. Unlucky.

    A moral victory for sure.

  2. TJ

    Nah no shame in the loss but damn i can’t bring myself to say i feel good.

    I think the rest of the season is looking up though. Hope the guys take some good lessons away from columbus.

  3. rob

    Coulda won this game. Trying not to let that thought dominate. Great showing. Maybe now we can get some respect. Been hearing TV commentators having to admit that Navy is actually a good team. This game, although we lost, could be a watershed event.

  4. TJ

    So everyone’s ragging on the decision to throw on the 2-point conversion … I figure IJ was remembering throwing for 2 vs ND in 2007.

  5. SaltySam98

    Who knows if we would have made the 2-pt conv on a run? Odds are we would, but OSU still had 2:21 to drive down and get a FG to win…I still think they win the game either way.

  6. TJ

    The run-back on the INT made it look worse, but i doubt the coaches take that unlikelihood into account when picking a play. A fumbled snap or dropped pitch could’ve had the same result. whatever.

  7. usmc53

    Mike did you notice which O’Linemen played most of the game? Did DeMell play much at Center, or was Bass playing Center most/all of the game?

  8. TJ

    By the way, Terrell Pryor with “Mika Vick” written on his eyeblack.

    “Hey coach, I’m gonna dedicate this game to the dumbest football player ever. That cool?”

    Coach: “That’s cool.”

  9. pills91

    I wasn’t thrilled with the 2pt call, but, if that’s your play, then I guess you go with it. Maybe the play wasn’t as bad, as RD’s read.

    Otherwise, great game. If anyone had told me we would have lost the TO battle 3-1, and, then told me we had a chance to tie the game, I would have said you were on crack.

    Not exacty sure how well RD ran the triple, but, I thought he did a good running the game, and, I know he will get better the longer the season runs.

    What a great opportunity the kids had today, and, I thought, they made the most of it.

    And yeah, Spielman might be the dumbest TV announcer ever.

  10. TJ

    Near as I can tell no injuries coming out of this game either … Emmitt a little banged up but came back in both times. I do feel good about that.

  11. Anonymous

    The mids made me proud
    announcers gave no respect
    a team that’s all fight

    I not criticizing the 2 point conversion call. I’m just not sure who Dobbs was throwing to–Teich?

  12. GoalieLax

    awesome stadium
    stunned silence most of the game
    can’t wait for next game

    seriously, after our first TD drive, you could feel the unease in that stadium. the 4th quarter was crickets. awesome reception…teams ran out together which was cool. NO BREEZE made it much hotter than it was. i wish i could see a night game here…it will be charged up for USC, but I have no clue how OSU will do against them.

    gotta wonder if THIS game is the beginning of the TO renissance. you HAVE to think other schools in the Big 10 are looking at this and wondering why they’re not doing it

  13. Anonymous

    Who ever was in the back of the end was open. With the success Navy and Georgia Tech have had with the TO, it is hard to believe other teams won’t go to it. Especially teams that have been in the lower echelon of their conferences for an extended period of time.

  14. rob

    Serious question: The fourth and long play where the Slot Backs go back next to the fullback.. Todays wrinkle of having the fukll back go in motion aside, I’ve seen the same shit for years now. I see the first slotback go back and I know they are not running a play. Assuming somebody on the other team has watched Navy game film, how do we expect to draw anyone offsides with that? I always thought PJ had a play to run from that formation and was just using 4th and longs to condition film watchers and he would spring the trap later. But it never happened under him or Niumat.

  15. What else can you do to draw someone offside? Most teams just try a hard count. I don’t think that’s any more effective. Besides, at least by putting guys in motion you can see how the defense will line up if you DO want to call timeout and run a play.

    Against Rutgers in 2005, we put both slots in the wishbone and ran a play. We drew ND offside in 06.

  16. Anonymous

    That’s usually done on fourth and short and, since you can only motion two guys (but not at once), there is really no other option other than a hard count. Granted, it has been very predictable and unsuccessful.

  17. rob

    I don’t know which is why I am not a football coach. But If I know that Navy is not going to run a play as soon as the SB runs back next to the FB, I gotta think other coaches know. This is nitpicking and I am proud of their performance today, but I just think they should be a little creative on the “draw them offsides” play.

    maybe on a few 2nd and 2’s throughout the season run a play after the slotbacks go back next to the fullback?? Just throw a little bit of doubt in there.

  18. I wouldn’t want to waste any 2nd down plays to set up future “draw them offsides” plays.

    On plays like that it doesn’t matter what the coaches know, or what we can see from our couches. You’re just trying to get an overeager lineman to jump.

  19. rob

    Like Mike pointed out vs UCONN with the tapping of the helmets before the pass play on the first play of the game. I always thought that there was some great play to be unveiled from that formation after other coaches had been conditioned to expect no play, but i’ve never seen it. Today would have been a good time unveil it IMO.

  20. rob

    Mike, the post in the forum on the Ohio State thread about the player knowing we would pass on the 2pt conversion from watching film is what I am talking about. Teams watch film and ther is no other play that has slotback motion to the fullback’s side other than the draw them offsides play on 4th and (relatively) long. I may be a fool, but I think football programs are multi-year campaigns where coaches have to set up other unknown teams for unknown situations, in unknown years. How sweet would it have been if we could show them them the 2pt conversion formation from Notre Dame 2 years ago and do something totally different?

  21. rob

    Don’t be so dismissive. I think you are a Navy football god, but I think it’s an aspect of the game we can improve upon. It is also a symptom of what led to the 2pt conversion playcall. Would it not help if we could draw a team offsides 1/10 of the time instead of never? Maybe that results in 1 extra win over 3 years. Maybe it occurs this year and we end up with 7 and go to a bowl. So, yeah, I think it is important.

  22. rkm44

    Drawing teams offsides rarely works whatever the formation is. Doing it after a quarter change is a definate waste of a timeout. I would imagine the success rate on that is about zero. Thought the game was great, good job men.

  23. rob_a

    I was pleasantly surprised at the game. i saw many good things. the announcers obviously were not very good. they dismissed the offense, as do most people. they claimed that the offense couldn’t come back, but almost did. the turnovers were a killer. if any game proves that, it’s this one. i think in a span of about 5 minutes at the end of the game i experienced almost every emotion possible. if the team cuts down on the turnovers and continues to improve, they could have a very good year. on the plus side, i’ve heard navy said about 100,000 times since the game ended. it’s great to get free press.

  24. seafox

    One of the ESPN announcers repeatedly thought it necessary to throw in “This is just a tune up game for Ohio State…” until the last 5 minutes, when that phrase mysteriously disappeared.

    And how about that 99 yard touchdown drive! Against Ohio State’s vaunted Defense, no less.

  25. knine

    This game reminded me of the first Rocky. Ohio State wanted a season opener “tune-up” with a little more pageantry then Akron so out of the goodness of their hearts they picked a sentimental favorite good old Navy. But somebody forgot to tell Navy that they couldn’t compete in this ring. This time it was Jim Tressel and not Apollo Creed saying in the end “Ain’t going to be no rematch!”.

  26. Why Mike, Why? Why didn’t Ricky look to his left on the two-point conversion? Why was everyone looking right – including Ohio State’s cheerleaders, the D&B, everybody!

    I expect a 30-minute film breakdown on the 2-point conversion and your suggestions on a better play in the situation.

    Anything else would be unacceptable.

  27. tman

    Spielman kept talking like he “figured” out the TO. Kept saying watch the pulling guard and that will tell you where the play is going. Incredible! Mike will have to comment on how many times we pull a guard (seems like very few to me). Only when GT wins National title will this offense get respect from announcers. Seems that Dobbs has added a fourth option this year which is great. Seemed like all the question marks (O line, NT etc.) became positive statements. Dont let down Coach, push them in practice we got games left!

  28. Team Team, Damn Team

    Priceless quote from Coach Niumat at the post game: “We’re not into moral victories. We weren’t coming here to experience the atmosphere. We were coming here to win,” head coach Ken Niumatalolo said. “Our kids are down. We hate losing, regardless of who we play.”

    Now, that’s what I’m talkin bout!

  29. Anonymous

    Before you deify Coach Niumat, consider this post-game quote: “If Ohio State comes in totally focused on us, we had no chance.”

  30. Anonymous

    clearly the turnovers killed us, and i can live with the call on the 2pt conv, although Ricky made a bad choice b/c he had very little room to thread that needle.
    What I did like was to see some of the alternate formations this early in the season. normally we take a few games to mix it up, and i think the offense was in better shape – especially with the spectre of the tOSU defense in front of it – than i expected it to be for game 1.
    I can’t wait for the breakdown.

  31. Team Team, Damn Team

    Deify Coach Niumat? I was just pointing out the attitude. I love the fact that KN takes no consolation in this loss. His comment about Ohio State not being focused should not be taken out of context. KN, his staff and the team plays to win. That’s a GOOD thing and the reason for my post.

  32. pills91

    Did you see PJ’s post-game quote about his Navy and GSU teams vs his current GT team? He said something to the effect of his Navy teams hating to lose and doing everything they could to win. I think that KN has continued getting that level of commitment from the team.

    Not to harp on the 2pt try, but, the receiver RD was throwing to in the back of the endzone was triple covered. It seems to me that OSU knew that play was coming.

    Our “try and pull them offsides play” is fine. I’m pretty sure we would have snapped the ball if they hadn’t covered Teich coming out of the backfield.

    You don’t do stuff like that as a coach unless you’re prepared to utilize it.

  33. Jimbear NJ

    Spielman was getting his option offenses confused on his ” follow the pulling guard” comment. That’s what you do against a wing T offense. Except on some counter option Navy rarely pulls.

  34. newt91

    “the whole “offense struggles in week 1″ thing is a myth.”

    agreed. but the offense looked like it was running more formations and a wider variation of plays than we normally see this early in the season. i’m sure trying to keep OSU from settling into a rhythm was part of it, but after rewatching the game tonite i thought the offense payed really well. they just need to limit those turnovers.

  35. Anonymous

    Yes, TTDT, it’s nice of you to point out that “KN, his staff and the team play to win.” But I’m pretty sure that is the attitude of all of the 119 other D1-A/BCS teams. I’m happy that he is coach too but am not myopic or naive enough to think that he never makes a mistake.

  36. kevin

    We played them even according to the stats. Both the defense and offense played great (sans turnovers). I believe that the game ball should go to the defense who held Ohio State to 31 points. I can’t wait to see Navy stomp La Tech at home.

  37. Anonymous

    The defense actually held Ohio State to 29 points despite the three turnovers. And Louisiana Tech is no joke. Second place in the WAC last season, 9 returning starters on offense and a revamped defense.

  38. Shinola

    We were in the fight.
    Great effort and heart.
    Rickey’s arm will give the opposing DB’s nightmares in there preparation. They cannot be aggressive flying up to support.

  39. gonavy921

    At the end of the game came a loud WHEW
    And only a mere 6 months ago we were chanting “why play OSU”
    Great game boys. I’m proud of you!!!

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